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by Josh Greenberger
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Yes I agree that the mind and consciousness has a world of its own apart from matter creation. I think that when all is linked in together then the understanding for a black hole will not be much different to the understanding of our 'soul'. Very interesting article.
A very easy to comprehend exposition of why there has got to be a soul in man.Next task is to show if and how the soul can survive or at least operate without oxygen, and how humans can interact with souls not using oxygen to operate if they can, and can interact with humans or souls using oxygen to operate.The question is therefore how souls using oxygen or living humans can interact with souls if souls do exist after the death of their human bodies.What the heck are you talking about?I think he is referring to humans being souls "operating with oxygen" and ghost or spirits or "the dead" to be souls "operating without oxygen"... he although has some logic because the last sentence seems to say that he is not sure "souls" can exist without the body... he just has no rhetoric whatsoever...
Is it possible that a black hole is a soul?Of course. Did you think of that all by yourself? Brilliant!
"Unscientific, at this point, would be to deny that an entity exists that gives human beings their unique intellectual features. There is no question that it exists. The only question is, what do you call it? "It is called the brain. The superior intellect of the human over other species is directly correlated to the larger brain size."If "soul" is to religious sounding for you, call it what you will, but there is definitely something at work here that is not of a physical nature"There is no reason at all to suspect any non-physical cause.All the aspects of a person that we'd consider to be their "consciousness" or "soul", such as memory, feelings, sense of humour, ability to reason, general behaviour, mannerisms etc have been demonstrated to result from the physical brain.Change the brain and you change these characteristics. Certain types of brain trauma lead to changes in personality and / or loss of memory. If consciousness had no physical roots, physical changes to the brain would not effect our consciousness, but they demonstrably do."If you don't believe a "soul" has been proven here, you may want to start questioning things like black holes. Nobody will prove them to you any better"Black holes are supported by strong scientific evidence, a supernatural soul is not.The fact that humans move, talk, laugh and reason does not lead us to the conclusion "therefore there is a supernatural soul". The physical explanation of these phenomena is rapidly becoming more complete.Generally speaking, there is not a specific physical substance for each aspect, such as reasoning, sense of humour etc.Most "high level" functions of this sort emerge from complex interactions between numerous areas of the brain, so you wouldn't expect to find a single physical "lump" containing each one.They don't exist as static physical lumps, they exist as dynamic physical processes.In answer to the question in the title - no, there is no scientific evidence of a soul. There is strong scientific evidence that human minds, personalities, memories, thoughts, hopes and desires all have physical roots, and stem from dynamic physical processes that take place primarily in the brain.Ben Morrish: "It is called the brain. The superior intellect of the human over other species is directly correlated to the larger brain size."
You're as ignorant as you are moronic. The blue whale has a bigger brain than humans, they're not more intelligent. (Humans have a bigger brain in proportion to their body, but blue wales' brains are physically bigger. It adds nothing to their intellect.)
Ben Morrish: "All the aspects of a person that we'd consider to be their "consciousness" or "soul", such as memory, feelings, sense of humour, ability to reason, general behaviour, mannerisms etc have been demonstrated to result from the physical brain."
Who demonstrated it and how does it work? All you're doing is regurgitating how things are, you're adding nothing in the way of explaining how it works or happens. We all know there is such a thing call the brain and we all know the intellect comes from there. We don't need you to tell us that. Explain, explain, explain and demonstrate it. Don't tell us it's been demonstrated, that doesn't tell us anything. If I told you it's been demonstrated that we can actually see the soul, would you just accept that? Why not? I said it's been "demonstrated!"
Stop talking nonsense.Ben Morrish makes a very compelling counter argument. In my opinion he's done more than enough to refute the point the athor was trying to make. You want him to demonstrate the complexities of the brain? Really now? Go look it up yourself. Personally the reason you're so angry is because he's saying something you don't want to hear."You're as ignorant as you are moronic. The blue whale..."Yes, you are indeed correct, but when you slander someone like that before going to prove them wrong it really just makes you look bad and the rest of your arguments lose a bit of credibility.Really? Credibility has to do with how calm your are, not with what you say? I guess cops and judges don't have much credibility when they get angry at some mass murderer or child rapist. How do people come up with this?Excuse me, but credibility has a lot to do with what you say, and what you (or the other anonymous) said in no way reflects reality. There is absolutely no evidence for a soul. There is none whatsoever. You believe it because you want to believe it. That's all there is to it. Your line of reasoning is based in emotion, not in facts, and that is why you do not have any credibility. In fact, brain size does matter, and it is measured as a portion of the size of the rest of your body. Our brains are bigger than whale's relative to body size and that makes a difference whether you understand that fact or not.There is absolutely no evidence that human reasoning comes from some non-physical place. ALL of the evidence points to everything we are and will be as being functions of our physical brain."That's all there is to it."Yep, this sounds like a good piece of reasoning. Thanks for straightening us out.im sorry I do agree with the soul but have to play the devils advocate on this debate. people on the soul side are not making very good counter arguments.
the blue whale very well could be way more intelligent than you. you have no way to communicate with one and it has no way either and simply may lack the physical tools necessary to fully show its vast intellect.
Hi folks, interesting article. Actually there is evidence of the soul. Try get hold of a BBC documentary called The Day I Died. It has been proven that consciousness, and sensory perception exist after death.
If the soul or intellect is a seperate entity from the body then why do physical things change they way we think? The easiest way to change brain chemistry is to drink alcohol. Do you think the same way when you are drunk? No. is your soul changed? No, alcohol changes your bodies physical make up so you perceive and think differently, if the soul existed seperately from the physical body this would not happen.That's actually a good question. But it doesn't exactly work that way. The sole, being a spiritual entity, cannot express itself accept through the physical body. If the physical body, which has its own nature, is out of kilter, the sole can only express itself to the extent that the body is capable of conveying those thoughts.Why does physical damage change the way we think you ask. Well that is simple to explain. If the mind or consciousness is wired into the brain would not physical damage to the brain effect the way the consciousness is expressed? If the receptor is damaged the signal is weakened.is it not possible that like every symbiotic relationship in life what effects one thing effects another? if the soul is what controls us or is part of us and we change its ability to perceive its environment ex. alcohol on the body do we not change the way it reacts with its environment? "the body is a beast and I am the rider, wherever the beast goes so shall I"What happens if you pour diesel fuel in a normal car.
If acts all stupid and haywire. but yet that car doesn't drive itself right? There is a consciousness behind the wheel(A person)
When that car breaks down and sputters and spits and wont start or if it does, does so incorrectly. Does not the person behind it still exist even though the car is acting randomly?
That same principle goes for the soul and the human body.
If "A SOUL" was interacting with our brain it would be detectable - which it isn`t. you can see the affects of a black hole by everything spiraling into it although you cannot see the black hole itself. The soul has NO measurable affects that differ from the normal workings of the brain. Without a soul the entire concept of god and religion break down.An Atheist."If "A SOUL" was interacting with our brain it would be detectable"Is that so? You need to study science moreSo, you mean to say... Soul is specific to human beings?Bacteria interact with our stomachs but they wern't detectable till only recently. The ability to discover something is limited by the technology of the times.
"Without a soul the entire concept of god and relgion breaks down"
How are you defining god? God is inherently a concept that may or may not be tied to a soul however the disproof of a soul (which i don't think has happened) does not discredit the entire concept of god. Also, there are many different relgions in the world and to say that all of them revolve around the concept of a soul is ignorance on your part.It is your comment that shows gross ignorance. The concept of God can be logically deduced from nature; if you look into it seriously and honestly (too long of a discussion for this space). I don't care how many religions there are or how they define God. God can only be defined in one logical way; the One who Created everything that exists. Anything else is not God.
A soul, call it what you will, is a life force. Without it, no life can function. A human biological system by itself is not what we call "human." To be "human" a human has to have the intellectual properties attributed to humans. These intellectual properties do not exist in any physical matter.
If you didn't, or don't understand this, you're a little short in comprehending the universe you live in, no matter how smart you think you are.
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